How is this "pay to win?" SP injectors aren't for sale on the AUR store; only the extractors are.

CCP, please implement character appearance options for heavy skill extractor / injector users. Something like reddened skin and a grouping of needle marks on the temples or forehead or whatever. Maybe bloodshot eyes too. Or hair styles where a small circular patch of hair is missing (at the extraction/injection site).

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We already have SP for ISK. I buy a PLEX with ISK. I activate my account. I can now train SP for a month. In that thirty days I get 1.944m SP. I buy another PLEX. I activate dual account training and set up my queue. A month later I have 1.944m more SP on that character.

All this change does is reduce the time barrier between paying the money and getting the SP. How much is that worth? Nothing to me. Probably quite a bit to a competitive young player who wants to succeed in Eve.

As a player who has almost nine years in game, I am not at all concerned with a new player trying to catch up with me. He can match my ISK (by grinding for more hours or spending real cash to buy PLEX to sell for ISK), he can match my SP (by buying a character on the bazaar or injecting a bunch of SP packs), but he cannot buy nine years of experience in this deep and complex game. And if he does match me in experience by immersing himself in Eve, playing a ton, watching training videos, and learning from those around him: that is a good thing. Not a bad one.

Personally I think this is a change that needs to happen for new player access.

For me however I wont have to wait till 2022 to get that last combat skill on my main. Instead I will simply buy the 1000 odd injectors to get me the rest of the way to 326 million skill points, Its expensive but hey its only isk. Don't think I will buy the other 1000 to get to 448 million but maybe I will, after all I can dock the titans up.....

On second thoughts CCP please put in a hard cap on sp's and/or the number of injectors you can use. CCP limited the number of remaps for a reason well limit the number of skill injectors.

But hey this is just my two cents, I am sure this wont be the end of EVE.


Just the end of that anticipation you get when the new ship or module becomes available in 12hs. even now when i can fly most ships i still get that feeling and that enjoyment of taking a new ship out (or an old ship with improved performance) for the first time after the weeks of training.

I think it would be a fine idea, I mean if people don't like the idea then everyone whould boycott the extractors and don't pull any Skill points out of their charcters no matter what, but I been looking about the webs and seen many people upset and many who are for it, some people who have said they will resub because of it, and some who do not like the wait and quite eve because of it, the ones in null may be weary of it or more for it is also a split. If one thinks about it, this will and can change the tipping point of control just for null sec space, when I see it, it's not that people say its pay to win, but its that it is a new change and people tend to hate change who are acustomed to the old ways, not thinking about the possiblities of the new or the thought on how good it could be.

But I can see it being used mostly to get new players to pump the core skills to level 5 more then anything and we have yet to see the final product.

Course in the end we all will have wait and see how it interacts within the world of eve. It's just a coin flip in the end.

True, unless a large corp uses it to recruit more players who are brand new to eve, I can see that or friends who are willing to help said friends.

I am not a new player kinda because I could not afford it for a while and basically left if for X amount of months and just started to sub, about 2ish months ago, and all my friends are way ahead of me in training and will be going to null without me, since they worry with my skills being to low I would not be at all useful up there, even though they do not like this idea because they just brushed it off and never took a look at it till I started to talk about it in a positive way, then we won't have to leave anyone behind and all move out their together or that is what I hope.

Course people will still be training things up to a point then use the skill points to boost it past that month of wait to like maybe 15 minutes to 0.

Also people have to know that this will cost real money for the extractors unless one can get them from missions, and SP extractors will cost isk, which not everyone will have the money cause of other bills paying the monthly fee and such, unless you are a rich or spoiled person that is, course I find it to be a good add to the game, and people will most likely accept it and who knows more larger scale wars may happen where the sides are on even terms in strength unlike the wars that start that target the much weaker corps.

Edit: that Rolan fulmer is my other character that I have not worked on, and will say that I did not know that it would be different faces. O.o

well. personally I just find that funny. But just as much as it is damning, there's the character bazaar, which is an existing corollary to SP extractors.

New players can sell plex and purchase. Or rat/trade/steal and purchase. What's the problem?

No more so than the character bazaar. Given the presence of the character bazaar this is a great addition to the game. I am glad it has come through the process relatively unscathed (apart from making it more accessible to mid-SP characters which is great).

So what? It depends on the price of extractors. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see CCP price them ridiculously high.

Exactly. If CCP came straight out and told the truth saying:

"Eve is in trouble financially and needs extra cash influx to stay alive so we apologize for breaking a golden rule we prided ourselves in upholding till now, but we're in financial trouble and have no other choice but to add a feature we never intended on implementing". (or something along those lines)

Then I would've began suggesting ideas to help them achieve those goals without damaging the game's core. But instead they ignore player feedback like we're mindless supporters and will eventually conform to the master's wishes because we have no other choice but to follow the masters (CCP) ways. It's a flatout display of lack of respect for the loyal customer base to do something like disregarding all player feedback. I'm still waiting for more details on how this feature is unfolding, but not a word from CCP. Lack of communication is what's causing my anger and distrust from all this silence.

Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future.

No limits please.

It is not pay to win. You cannot purchase SP for cash. You can buy SP with isk, exactly as you can buy a high SP character with isk.

as Scott says here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0M7jkv3xkQ


his 60mill SP character can be beaten by a 10mill SP character depending on what ship/build both are using.

(though a 60mill SP character vs a 1mill SP character who can't use the basic weapons....would be a pretty big stretch.

P.S. im not for or against this just speaking the base layer facts. the only aspect i actually like is the ability to remove some skills i wish i never trained lol

SP trade is just the begining:

Aria

and this system is so limited that it would still be cheaper to buy a char.

I still have yet to see any proof from all the cry babies claiming this is pay to win when it clearly is not.

IT is only pay to save TIME! nothing more same thing we had with character bazaar for many years.

increasing your SP does not make you any better at the game learning from experience and playing the game and asking for help from more experienced players is how you get better only ways to get better actually. suddenly having 100 mill sp wont make you better at fitting or tactics or strategy or when to fight or flee ect...

the reason is the only proof out there is to the contrary that buying a char (soon sp) ends in disaster when they dont know what they are doing such examples as officer fit mission ships that get ganked for the 10-50 bill in mods they fit . fail officer fits trying to do solo pvp and much more. before you cry omg its pay to win try using common sense first then make an educated desicion.

More like the fact that CCP is giving people more room to fail rather than enabling them to win. But since when is the idea of giving someone room to fail a reason something can't or shouldn't be in game?

Player A have 50 mil SP with which he have perfect skills in a Comet, he waited more than 2 years to get these skillpoints.

Player B have 50 mil SP with which he have perfect skills in a Comet, but he didn't wait 2 years, he bought it all on the market with his credit card.

lets say both have the exact same fit (somehow...). What advantages does player B have over player A ? none

Player A have a serious advantage because he have more experience of PvP.

This is the same for everything. I don't PvP at all, I'm a trader, it's even harder for a trader to compete only with SP, because spreadsheets, and also... standings

Will you explain the Aria connection to EVE in greater detail? I found this article, but it only mentions Valkyrie. https://www.ariasystems.com/company/press-release/ccp-games-selects-aria-systems-active-monetization-platform

There is no doubt that feature purpose is to earn CCP more money. Claiming it's for newbros is a bit cheezy but we can hardly do anything about it.

The feature can be useful for a lot of player tho

The price for an extractor will be 2000 Aurum, that's the most logical price, from a business point of view.

When are you going to tell us then?

Maybe they will sell 'fatigue-reduction' injectors too...

I would like to repeat my question will there be a limit to how many skill injectors you can use at one time?

Please launch this soon so I can actually merge my characters and do what I actually wanna do in the game!
Thanks!

Did someone link the mystical "everything Vs" gooed up character (which was born just today) already?